You are not logged in.

Dear visitor, welcome to Beyond Orange. If this is your first visit here, please read the Help. It explains in detail how this page works. To use all features of this page, you should consider registering. Please use the registration form, to register here or read more information about the registration process. If you are already registered, please login here.

  • "mission.possible" started this thread

Posts: 19

Reputation modifier: 5

Level: 22 [?]

Experience: 40,268

Next Level: 49,025

  • Send private message


Sunday, March 9th 2014, 10:02pm

The eye openers

While doing research on the topic of sexual-and-other abuse inside religious organizations, I came across two videos which I would like to share with you:

First one is by retired Bishop Geoffrey Robinson (yes, this *can* happen in the Catholic Church) who reveals some main factors that contribute to abuse. One can very clearly see the similarities between that "culture" (as he calls it) and DIDL "culture":

The other one is by Zen teacher Jan Chozen Bays (video is in 6 parts), who explains how zen-groups started to realize that it is dangerous to confuse a professional relationship with personal one (and if it's confused, it may be abused). She gives a lots of examples, and goes through a very helpful list of questions that helps one to distinguish these two types of relationship (in video No 4):

Who serves whom?
Whose needs are primary?
Who holds the power?
Are there boundaries?
Who is responsible for the boundaries?
Is there fiduciary responsibility?.... etc.

Even if spiritual path is all about personal development, while teaching people, professional responsibility should always be present, from top to bottom. Unfortunately DIDL has this all mixed terribly up in its core narrative, which is constantly advertised by its Maxi and Mini "Gurus". :bang:

So, if you are still member of DIDL please watch the videos and see for yourself if your group has any of 12 elements that may help the abuse happen. Also, try to see your relationship with your Guru in the light of the above questions - it might be a real eye opener!